ND: Like, Wow! Obama won!! What does this mean for devotees?
G: Four more years of maya.
The following are some images showing amazing beauty of Sridham Mayapur. The camera I used was not a high aperture camera but just a movie camera, also all images are as it is, i.e. without any photoshop editing. You can imagine if a movie camera could take that good images so how amazing the actual scene was.
Srila Prabhupada's policy for academic preaching was one of challenge and confrontation, not peaceful accommodation.
You have to go and lecture all the universities, calling these rascals fools. That will be our mission. They do not know anything and talking all nonsense. That's it. There was nobody to challenge till now. Now we are creating persons to challenge these rascals. That is our credit. Till now whatever nonsense they are talking, people thought, "Oh he is a big scientist." Now our scientist will protest against them, stop them talking all nonsense. That is what we want. If a lay man like me goes and protesting, he may say that "First of all you come to my level, then I shall talk with you." Now, he cannot talk with you like that. Because you are on the level. So challenge all this nonsense. Why they talk nonsense?
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk -- May 2, 1973, Los Angeles
Barack Obama’s lucky charms; among them a small murti of Hanuman.
Quite interesting to have a USA president-elect who carries a small Hanuman everywhere with him ‘for luck.’ As all Vaishnavas know, those who carry Hanuman will be carried by Hanuman when they most need him. Apparently Barack Obama heard the stories of Hanuman from his father.
Interesting also that Mr. Obama senior was from the small town of Kisumu in Kenya where there is a temple to Hanuman that’s been there for a very long time. I used to live at that temple back in 1979. Small world.
Small world - and very delicately balanced. We pray that all good fortune and illumination be showered upon Senator Obama in the difficult years ahead.

Continuing in the line of my previous posts, here are some more thoughts on dysfunctional cultural aspects of ISKCON.
Monasticism and Temples
We still have far too much stress on monasticism in our Society. Gurus and GBCs are mostly sannyasis. What leaders do is reflected on the society and all its members. When so many of our leaders are monks, living a temple-based lifestyle, the focus tends towards that kind of lifestyle and habits – which is very, very far removed from what over 95% of the members of the Movement are living, and totally removed from what mainstream society is living.
It’s old news that ISKCON is now a congregation based society, not the confederation of temple ashrams it was in its first 20 years, but this change still hasn’t reached the way we think and act. The sannyasis and temple residents are still very much the central focus of our society. The sooner we have more grihastha gurus and GBCs, the better. (By the way, here is an interesting discussion on the issue of sannyasa vs. grihastha gurus: http://www.prabhupada.org/rama/?p=4375.) The general perception held by an ISKCON member is that a sannyasi in inherently superior to a grihastha as a leader and guru. Yet, in our scriptures we see that grihasthas are naturally the gurus and administrative leaders of society.
Temples are a wonderful place for devotees to get together to worship the Lord and for Krishna-katha, but may not be the best place for bramacharis(inis) to be trained up or for newcomers to get to know KC.
In Brazil, Dhanvantari Swami has been running a Hare Krishna Seminary for the past 9 years, where men and women (young and old) spend an intense 9 months being trained as devotees, among other things by studying for the bhakti-shastri exam. It’s not a temple, it’s jut a seminary, allowing the full focus to be on their training. It’s a wonderful experience for the participants. In a temple, brahmacaris(inis) can get too involved with cutting vegetables, cleaning, fund-raising, etc.
One of the most successful preaching programs in the world is run by Devamrta Swami in New Zealand. One of the key elements of his success is not having Deities as the central focus point of his centers. Instead his focus is on the guests. Everything is designed and geared up to convey KC to the guests in the most easily assimilated way possible. A regular Deity aratik in a temple is probably the least easily assimilated way to convey KC in a global western culture.
These examples indicate that an ISKCON less centered on the temple and Deity worship could be more effective.
I see a future where our temples can serve the community of those who have already accepted KC, but where we have other programs and places dedicated to exposing KC to the general public, and other places dedicated to those who wish to take time off their studies or careers to absorb themselves in KC training.

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by Balabhadra das (noreply@blogger.com) at November 05, 2008 01:33 PM
by Dr Madhavananda das, 5 November, Afternoon
Maharaj is stable, even today. His consciousness is better. Dr P.P. Ashok, the neurologist, was happy with Maharaj’s alertness. His blood pressure, blood sugar and other parameters are stable.
Today onwards, they are gradually taking him off the ventilator. This process is gradual.
Jayapataka Swami: When I met Sridhara Swami to seek his blessings just prior to going on the South Indian Safari Maharaja was very emphatic! His time was not yet up! He had many things to still do or Srila Prabhupada. I mentioned to him that the Temple of Vedic Planetarium in Mayapur was one such work. Sridhara Swami confirmed.Prabhupada’s Disappearance Day was held at the Palace a few days ago. I know there is now some fancy Sanskrit name for the occasion but I will probably never use it. I think that the next acharya will be someone who follows the preISKCON vaisnava tradition of using a liturgy in the local language, which in this case would be English.
While Prabhupada succeeded in firmly establishing a beachhead in the English speaking world for Krishna Consciousness, the next stage will be to move it from being an anomaly to becoming more widespread.
Practically what is keeping the movement going now is a lot of participation from 1st generation immigrants from India, and that will only last about a generation — their kids will be Westernized and then we will be back to having to make inroads into American culture in any case.
To make it accessible it has to be understandable to average people. Calling Prabhupada’s Disappearance Day some Sanskrit term is a step in the wrong direction, IMHO.
Before we threw the flower petals in the ritual, there was a long Sanskrit prayer that I basically didn’t know what it meant. That is when I was thinking how much better it would have been if it was in English so everybody could understand it. I was wondering if even the Hindu guests had any clue what it was trying to convey.
I could get the emotional content, and sure, if I really wanted to, I could go look up the translation, but most people aren’t going to take that trouble and the use of Sanskrit is exclusionary, which makes it ineffective preaching IMHO. I would guess the under representation of Americans in most ISKCON temples could be taken as proof for my premise.
Anyway, the current manifestation of ISKCON probably lacks the will to initiate this but I feel confident that eventually it’ll happen.
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Gopinath (Part Two)
By Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur
(Hear it sung here)
1.
gopinath, ghucao samsara jwala
avidya-jatana, aro nahi sahe,
janama-marana-mala
Gopinath, please free me from the fierce inferno,
of birth and death again, the ignorance and pain,
through which I can no longer go.
2.
gopinath, ami to’ kamera dasa
visaya-basana, jagiche hrdoye,
phadiche karama phasa
Gopinath, lust has now become my master.
Forever do I find, such sin within my mind,
binding me in bonds of karma.
3.
gopinath, ami to’ kamera dasa
visaya-basana, jagiche hrdoye,
phadiche karama phasa
Gopinath, when will I wake from my slumber,
to slay this enemy, dwelling deep inside of me,
so in my heart you may appear?
4.
gopinath, ami to’ tomara jana
tomare chariya, samsara bhajinu,
bhuliya apana-dhana
Gopinath, I am your servant, that is sure,
but turning far away, toward the worldly sway,
I turned from an untold treasure.
5.
gopinath, tumi to’ sakali jano
apanara jane, dandiya ekhano,
sri-carane aeho sthano
Gopinath, you know all this undoubtedly,
and as your property, you should please punish me,
and shelter me eternally
6.
gopinath, ei ki vicara taba
bimukha dekhiya, charo nija-jane,
na koro’ karuna-laba
Gopinath, how this is just I cannot see.
For having been averse, to you it seems I’m cursed,
shunned and shorn of all your mercy.
7.
gopinath, ami to murakha ati
kise bhalo hoya, kabhu na bujhinu,
tai heno mama gati
Gopinath, I am a fool most certainly,
for never do I see, what will be best for me,
thus I remain in misery.
8.
gopinath, tumi to’ pandita-bara
mudhera mangala, tumi anvesibe,
e dase na bhavo’ para
Gopinath, wisest and most learned person.
You can thus ascertain, what is my greatest gain.
Accept me always as your own.
by Club 108 (noreply@blogger.com) at November 05, 2008 08:00 AM
Srila Prabhupada’s disciples mercifully shared sweet memories of their spiritual master Srila Prabhupada at the Tirobhav festival held in Pushpa Samadhi Mandir. HH Bhakti Charu Swami, HH Umapati Swami, HH Hanumat presaka swami, HG Jananivas pr, HG Pankajanghri pr, Hari Sauri pr, Bhavananda pr, Sree Raga pr, Suresvara pr, Madhusudana pr, Kanchanbala mataji, Ragatmika mataji and others offered glorifications. Please log on to audio lectures downloads to listen to these wonderful memories.
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Maharaja's rate of improvement is very slow. His blood pressure, blood sugar, platelets, etc. are stable. We have consulted other neurologists and surgeons in India, from Delhi, Bhubanesvara, Tirupati, Mumbai, Bangalore, etc. Everyone is of the same opinion: the situation is very critical.
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Global 24 hr Kirtan during Kartik
In Brisbane - Saturday November 8th, 9am - Sunday November 8th, 9am @ the ISKCON Brisbane temple, 95 Bank Rd, Graceville.
My "yang," who oddly enough is positioned in the other hemisphere (the one to the South of us), asks a bunch of questions about the American election and why American devotees seem to be so into it. As a devotee and an American, I believe I am in a position of authority to answer this one:
Q: "Has anyone else noticed that only the American Vaisnavas make a big deal about voting and who their national leader is?"
It's because ISKCON has been mainstreaming for years, and in America, it basically started mainstreaming when householders moved out of the temples and into apartments/houses. When devotees had to spend most of their time with non-devotees, their world for the most part became these non-ashram-resident devotees' world. That's when it began. I doubt it's much different in other countries where substantial numbers of devotees live outside the temple. Indian devotees also very much care about the local and national politics of India, but they have some additional reasons for being into politics.
"I've never read any blog entries from Vaisnavas in other countries about their national elections...."
As to WHY devotees here in America are so into voting and who becomes their national leader (and Vaishnavas in other countries aren't), there are a few reasons peculiar to being American:
If some other countries had similar bragging rights, it would be more likely that devotees residing in them might harbor similar attitudes towards their own country's elections.
There are probably more reasons that can be added to the above list, but the bottom line seems to be (and you may have guessed it already) that the observed infatuation with politics is for the most part a kind of maya that, gradually, a number of devotees in America (though not all) have learned to become comfortable with. Not, in my opinion, a good sign.
As to your last question: "What does that mean?".
It means your children are genetically closer to Obama, The One, than most of the rest of us. You are the bearers of super-citizens, who will preside over a new world order. Be fruitful and multiply.
by course@ultimateselfrealization.com at November 05, 2008 03:30 AM
Attention all temple managers, gift shops, and anyone looking for a great gift! Today we received the shipment of the 24 Hour Kirtan DVDs! Please click on the picture below for full details:
This offer is mostly directed to the North American area, but international orders are also welcome (especially Australia as we’ll be going there in a few weeks).
Write to kirtan@pamho.net for all orders and note that all all proceeds go to funding next year’s kirtan event.
Hare Krishna,
NV 24 Hour Kirtan Team
by jauvana (noreply@blogger.com) at November 05, 2008 12:38 AM
Has anyone else noticed that only the American Vaisnavas make a big deal about voting and who their national leader is?
I've never read any blog entries from Vaisnavas in other countries about their national elections....
What does that mean?
Update: I thought about this some more, and there is a basic philosophical error in my question. There is no such thing as "American Vaisnavas". Vaisnavism is absolute and cannot be modified. (In Soviet Russia) "You don't modify Vaisnavism - Vaisnavism modifies you".
Instead the question should be: "Has anyone else noticed that only the Vaisnava Americans make a big deal about voting and who their national leader is?"
And that makes the question kind of redundant, because it's not only the Vaisnava Americans - all Americans make a big deal about that, so it's nothing unusual... just a manifestation of the fact that America, and by extension American elections, are really important, and other countries and their elections obviously less so... ;-)
Further Update:Check out what Krishna-kirti prabhu had to say about this: Siddhanta.com gives authoritative answer to Aussi devotee's musing about why American devotees are so into who becomes Mr. Prez
Confirmed.
“…the hills and mountains are the stacks of His bones.”
-Shrimad Bhagavatam 2.1.32
“…the rivers are the veins of the gigantic body…”
-Shrimad Bhagavatam 2.1.33
“the trees are the hairs of His body…”
-Shrimad Bhagavatam 2.1.33
“…the clouds which carry water are the hairs on His head…”
-Shrimad Bhagavatam 2.1.34
“…the terminations of days or nights are His dress”
-Shrimad Bhagavatam 2.1.34
Then…
Exodus 32-New American Standard Bible
(1)Now when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down from the mountain, the people assembled about Aaron and said to him, “Come, make us a god who will go before us; as for this Moses, the man who brought us up from the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.” (2) Aaron said to them, “Tear off the gold rings which are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.” (4) He took this from their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool and made it into a molten calf; and they said, “This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt.” (5) Now when Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made a proclamation and said, “Tomorrow shall be a feast to the LORD.” (7) Then the LORD spoke to Moses, “Go down at once, for your people, whom you brought up from the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves. (8) “They have quickly turned aside from the way which I commanded them. They have made for themselves a molten calf, and have worshiped it and have sacrificed to it and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt!’” (10)”Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation.” (11) Then Moses entreated the LORD his God, and said, “O LORD, why does Your anger burn against Your people whom You have brought out from the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? (14) So the LORD changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people. (15) Then Moses turned and went down from the mountain with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand, tablets which were written on both sides; they were written on one side and the other. (19) It came about, as soon as Moses came near the camp, that he saw the calf and the dancing; and Moses’ anger burned, and he threw the tablets from his hands and shattered them at the foot of the mountain. (20) He took the calf which they had made and burned it with fire, and ground it to powder, and scattered it over the surface of the water and made the sons of Israel drink it. (26) then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me!” And all the sons of Levi gathered together to him. (33) The LORD said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book. (35) Then the LORD smote the people, because of what they did with the calf which Aaron had made.
Now…
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/30/145245/63/817/647006
(Thanks to Rupa for the link.)
Lord Krishna and His names are nectar which can be experienced & relished only when one takes to chanting His names. People these days have time for eveything except some quality time to devote to the Lord who has protected and cared for all fallen souls like us from time immemorial. We have mistaken the bodily relations of this body to be our whole & soul and forget the eternal relationship that we share with our Lord Krishna. This is where the disease of illusion or Maya catches on the poor soul and entangles him to desires making one forget that he is eternally part and parcel of Krishnaji.by Krsnajyoti (noreply@blogger.com) at November 04, 2008 10:40 PM
This Diwali gathering was the first official celebration of a “Hindu” holiday at the National Cathedral in Washington, DC. Gaura Vani & As Kindred Spirits led a Kirtan that was a magical gathering. Chanting in the Bethlehem Chapel with guest singer and yogi, Vrindavan Rao from Ottawa, Canada, the Diwali Kirtan brought together 150 people from across the spectrum of Washington, DC vibrant spiritual and interfaith community. This event was hosted by the organizer of the Sacred Circles event, Grace Ogden, along with W. Rukmini Walker (Gaura’s mom). The Bethlehem Chapel is a synchronistic place to host this groundbreaking event as it was the first completed chapel in the huge structure that is the National Cathedral and is considered the cornerstone of the building. It has therefore maintained it’s distinction as a groundbreaking place for worship and community.
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by Devadeva Mirel (noreply@blogger.com) at November 04, 2008 09:04 PM
The atmarama verse (SB 1.7.10) is very important, in that because Krishna is all-attractive, his devotees are also pretty darned attractive, too. Which is to say that, in a chance encounter with the loving embrace of one of those 20,000-Leagues-Under-The-Sea-type giant squids, a devotee could walk away unharmed with the sucker-marks for bragging rights.* However, as a lesson for the non-devotees, we have seen how Kirk Douglas and Captain Nemo, in fighting for their own lives, had to hack and electrocute the bejeezus out of Squiddie, whose embrace was, evidently, not so loving.
by noreply@blogger.com (Devadeva Mirel) at November 04, 2008 06:47 PM
I heard about this on CNN tonight so I googled it and it turns out to be true. Obama carries a small charm of Hanuman in his pocket. Obama at one point had a Hindu roommate in college and has visited India.
by Club 108 (noreply@blogger.com) at November 04, 2008 04:06 PM
Clips from the ecstatic Govardhan Puja celebration kirtan on Sunday.
Dallas, TX
2008-11-02
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by ananda (noreply@blogger.com) at November 04, 2008 03:34 PM
In this 8-minute video His Holiness Giriraja Swami explains the significance and benefit of chanting the holy names of Krishna via the Maha-mantra, or great chant for deliverance.
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