In yesterday’s lecture, Prabhupada said that one who hears from the right source will have his love for Krishna increase. The real purpose of life is to renounce the material body, but people are not interested in liberation. They want material benefits. But material benefits are all fixed by the body you have.
Satsvarupa dasa Goswami - June 20, 3:30 A.M.
I had a peaceful night but woke up several times during the night. I finally got up around 3:30 A.M. Narayana came up, and we talked some before I began chanting.
4:52 A.M.
When you miss your big block of japa in the morning, you have to remain calm and assure yourself that you’ll get them done during the day. There’s no doubt about it. Just be sure you don’t rush them. Stay calm and enunciate the mantras. Try in the future to ensure you get those big blocks in the morning, when you can stretch out and chant lots of mantras. We’ll be going to the beach, and I can chant there in the car. Keep the mind fixed on the goal of the mantras, the yearning to reach Radha and Krishna. Reciprocate with Them in your mind. Chant from your lowly position, and reach out. You have nothing to regret, no reason to panic. Everything will go all right. You may just have to chant a little more in the late morning. But that will be fine also. Relax in your chair and utter the Hare Krishna mantra in peace. With such a high priority to the mantras, you cannot fail. The pain of missing the big block of chanting early in the morning creates a greater desire to do them. Chanting Hare Krishna is your greatest friend. You will not desert Him, and He will not desert you. Better than writing this essay, I should go and chant.
6:46 A.M.
We decided not to go to the beach because I could chant my rounds better in the yellow submarine. So far, I have chanted thirteen rounds.
In yesterday’s lecture, Prabhupada said that one who hears from the right source will have his love for Krishna increase. The real purpose of life is to renounce the material body, but people are not interested in liberation. They want material benefits. But material benefits are all fixed by the body you have. Those who have American bodies have comfortable life, and those who live in the desert do not. Our dharma in life is not our particular religion but is the tendency to serve. People render service to their country or family, but real service is to the Supreme. God is not a servant. He is the only master and enjoyer. So love should be reposed in Him. If you serve maya, you will never be satisfied. Neither the master nor the servant is satisfied because Krishna is missing. If you serve the stomach, then the whole body will be satisfied. One who understands, “I have to die,” is intelligent.
Prabhupada said that when he went to the bank, he saw a billboard that said, “Is there sex after death?” They think that if there is sex, then that is life. They will have sex after death, but it may be as cats and dogs. The higher inquiry should be about spiritual sex. There is sex in the spiritual world in Radha and Krishna, but it is not abdominable. There, sex is happy, eternal and blissful. The mayavadis see that the result of sex in the material world is miserable, and so they want to make it zero. But sex in the spiritual world is blissful.
11:00 A.M.
Better write while you can before a headache comes. You like to make smooth, personal Krishna consciousness. There is so little time. You try to concentrate. What’s the subject matter? The quiet life. Making up my rounds this morning. Overcoming constipation. Time eaten up. You sit in the yellow submarine and wait for a good idea. Tiger Woods is behind in the U.S. Open. It doesn’t look like he will win. That shouldn’t matter to me. I’m concerned how Under Dark Stars reads. I haven’t had free time to keep reading the whole book. My time gets stolen. It’s a book that does well to be read parts at a time, not trying to read the whole thing through at once. But I read 129 pages, and so far, so good.
The headaches are devastating. One in the morning and one all afternoon yesterday. I spoke with Dr. Nitai-Gaurasundara this morning, and he has no solution for them. We work to stop them when they come, but it often doesn’t work, or it works for a while or after a while. I live with it, and it definitely keeps me confined. You’re lucky to get the journal in.
Narayana continues to write poems every day. He writes them for his survival. He writes confesionally and eloquently. Eventually he’s going to select the best ones and print them. I encourage him; I think he’s good.
In Brhad-bhagavatamrta, the form of Vishnu in Brahma Loka advised Gopa-kumara to go to Vraja and see the Lord’s sweeter pastimes there. Gopa worried that he’d been away so long, the place may have changed, but Vishnu informed him it is the same eternal dhama. Gopa-kumara will go, but he will still have many detours before he reaches Goloka Vrndavana. It is a bit frustrating.
It’s starting to rain again, and it’s a good feeling to be dry and inside a quiet house. I’ll probably get together again with the swamis. Maybe we’ll read. Listening to a Prabhupada lecture is a good addition to my day. They are a great legacy and should not be neglected. Hearing him speak is close association. He’s speaking about how Maharaja Pariksit gave up everything and heard Srimad-Bhagavatam from Sukadeva Goswami in the last even days of his life. It’s a great narration, the setting is a favorite story of mine. And then it’s told again by Suta Goswami—who was present for the first telling—to the sages at Naimisaranya. It gets told faithfully in disciplic succession again and again, and the Swami told us in 1966.
I think I’ll try to read Under Dark Stars now that I’m clear, then look for a break to make my daily prayer. Each day I face Krishna with a different prayer. I try to open to Him (and Radha) person to person. They are true communications, and I marvel that They let me continue to do it. I pray that I may continue to pray.
12:00 P.M.
I thank You for letting me write to You. You make me feel that You are actually listening to me. I feel that You and Srimati Radharani are reading my words and reciprocating with me. And as Supersoul in the heart, You dictate to me what to write. Today I want to write about this fact of reciprocation with You. According to the Vedic authorities—guru, sastra and sadhu—You invite me to speak to You. In Bhagavad-gita, You ask us to worship You, bow down to You, and offer homages to You. I am here offering an homage, written words of respect and prayer. I am praising You in parampara in the way You advise in the words You suggest. I am repeating Arjuna’s words, “You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the ultimate abode, the purest, the absolute truth. You are the eternal, transcendental, original person, the unborn, the greatest” (Bg. 10.12-13).
I am praising You in my own words too. You are my dearmost friend and guide. You reside in my heart as my individual guru, and You tell me what is best for me. I pray to follow Your instructions and not go against them or be independent of them. (As I write this, there is thunder in the sky, and heavy rain—a mighty manifestation of Your material nature. And as I write this, You are playing in Your pastimes in the undisturbed spiritual sky.)
You and Srimati Radharani are in every way persons, individuals, with particular tastes and likings. I want to know them and serve them. I want to serve You. I am serving You, and all living beings are serving You, but we are not doing it exactly according to Your liking. Some are serving Your material nature by force and denying Your spiritual personhood. I am not like that. I believe in You as the Supreme Person, and I want to serve You with love. I want to please You.
I’ve learned Your teachings as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu from my spiritual master, and I know You can be easily pleased by the chanting of Your holy names in the mahamantra. I want to attain offenseless chanting and enter krsna-prema. I know that is not easy, but I aspire for it and chant daily with devotion. I pray for Your mercy that I may come to the stage of suddha nama (perfected chanting) and experience the ecstasies of a pure chanter. You will grant this if I act sincerely to serve Your mission in this world. I am like a dwarf trying to touch the moon in saying I am trying for this, but I cannot help but think of it. Suddha nama is the boon I seek, even though I am millions of miles away from attaining it. I cannot help but admit it is my hidden, helpless desire.
You know my disqualifications and lack of adhikara, my lack of intense greed. I write like a fool. But I ask You for help in improving my condition. I should pray to You, praise You, and chant Your names in the perfect stage, because You deserve it. And I should strive for it. I should not chant Your names offensively or fail to serve Your mission. I am ashamed of my failures. But I maintain hope against hope that I can still please You. I wait for the day when I can chant Your name purely and help others to do so. Please give me the desire to strive for this.
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By Kristina Arriaga on 20 Jun 2009
According to news reports, the University of California in Los Angeles yielded to media pressure and agreed to allow a graduating student to thank Jesus in her personal statement. UCLA student Christina Popa claimed the school’s Department of Molecular, Cell and Developmental Biology was denying her freedom of speech when a faculty advisor told her that she could not mention “Jesus” in her graduation remarks.
“Public universities don’t get to censor student speech just because the speech is religious. That’s called viewpoint discrimination, and it’s unconstitutional. Let’s hope that UCLA’s biology department knows more about biology than it does about constitutional law,” said Luke Goodrich, legal counsel to the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty.
According to email exchanges that Popa posted on Facebook and that were reported by the press, UCLA Biology Professor Dr. Pamela Hurley deliberately censored Christina’s proposed speech, and emailed Christina saying: “UCLA is a public university where the doctrine of separation of church and state is observed,” and the professor proposed a censored version of Christina’s proposed speech, deleting any reference to Jesus Christ.
When Christina objected, Dr. Hurley threatened, “If you prefer, Christina, I can read none of what you wrote. I am very sorry that this is a problem for you.”
“The Becket Fund will defend any graduate from a public institution who wants to exercise his or her First Amendment right to engage in religious speech,” added Goodrich.
The Dallas Rathayatra parade. Fired up Kirtans by Chaitanya Chandra Prabhu, Giriraj Swami, Hari das, Amala Kirtan das and probably others that I've left out.
Dallas, TX
2009-04-25
Ok, eariler I was looking for a section from Caitanya Caritamrta about devotees fighting with each other and it had mysteriously disappeared. Recently I found it! But not in Caitanya Caritamrta, it was in the Nityananda Caritamrta- close but no burfi, hehe.
Its at the very end of Adi-lila:
Vaisnavas are always pure and full of knowledge. So, if there is ever any quarrel between them, know it simply to be part of their pastime. If a person takes the side of one Vaisnava and criticises another, then certainly he is vanquished.
for some reason I thought there was more to it than this. But anyway, good passage to keep in mind when you see devotees fighting.

Twenty four hours has come come and gone, but the kirtan is still going on! Again, log on to www.krishna.com/nv24 to catch the end!

The legendary Agnideva Prabhu singing (left of stage)



By Deena Bandhu dasaOne day, one devotee, who wishes not to be named, came to see me. He said he had a large donation and he wanted to see Sanatan Goswami's Samadhi repaired and wanted to know if I could do it. I was completely amazed as just the day before I was thinking about this.
by Kirtaniya (noreply@blogger.com) at June 21, 2009 12:11 PM
This jovial cartoon was designed for Chant4Change. Chant4Change, an intrepid group of chanters in Washington DC, have organised a prestigious kirtan event for the inauguration of the new president, next week. You can read about it and even buy a tee-shirt here. If any of our readers live in Washington, there are still some tickets left. And Mr Obama, if you are reading this - why not go along too! All proceeds to charity.
by Kirtaniya (noreply@blogger.com) at June 21, 2009 12:09 PM
Many devotees, who were previously active in preaching when living full time in the temples, feel that now - living outside and earning a living – those “good old days” remain just distant topics of nostalgia. Will those days ever return, they wonder?
Everyone was anticipating when we would get darshan of the original Kunda excavated by Srimati Radharani and Her sakhis with their golden bangles, kankans. However the pumps that were pumping out the water were getting clogged with mud and each time they got close, they would break down.
After several days of battling with the upsurging waters coming into Radha Kunda from Kancana Kunda with pumps breaking, clogging pipes and goverment disunity amidst general mismanagement (a body without a head), despite such shortcomings, Sri Radha has finally allowed a darshan of Her sacred lila stan.
We find that in our material endeavors, we often invoke the name or memory of someone as a way of bringing good luck. Athletes often carry good luck charms given to them by legendary figures in their sport.
From the May 23, 2009 edition of ISKCON NewsSpoken by Srila Prabhupada on 31March 1975 in Maypur (from Adi1.7): "We have to follow the sastra; otherwise there is no other alternative to understand the exalted position of Krishna, how He expands in different forms, as Visnu, as Narayana. Sometimes they argue that Krsna is incarnation of Visnu. That is also truth. You'll find in Caitanya... Truth in this way, that when any incarnation comes, He comes through the Ksirodaksayi Visnu. But Ksirodaksayi is partial expansion of Krishna.

Overcoming namabhasa and attaining prema
Anyone wanting to attain the highest spiritual success of chanting purely must approach a bonafide spiritual master and serve him carefully and sincerely. Gradually, as all the anarthas or unwanted desires in the heart are destroyed, the
transcendental name of Krsna appears and dances on the tongue of the devotee. The holy name, now nectarean in taste, cannot but be relished by the devotee at every moment. Thus spiritually intoxicated, the devotee always feels like dancing. As the holy name dances, the devotee likewise dances, and at that moment the ecstasy of love of Godhead also enters dancing into the devotee's heart. Then the entire world will dance and maya will flee away.
As I type this, about 11 hours of the 24 Hour Kirtan still remain and HH Radhanath Swami is singing to a packed temple. If you are *not* one of the nearly 2000 devotees who have been viewing the live video/audio broadcast, there is still plenty of time left! Log on to www.krishna.com/nv24 and immerse yourself in the nectar of the holy name. Here are some photos:
Diary of a Traveling Sadhaka, Vol. 5, No. 11
By Krishna-kripa das
(June 2009, part one)
Antwerp, Amsterdam, Wroclaw, and Leipzig
(Sent from Leipzig, Germany, on 6/18/09)
Highlights
A Prabhupada Story
Harinamas in Antwerp and Amsterdam
First Annual Wroclaw Ratha-yatra
Sunday Feast in Leipzig’s Mariannen Park
Spiritual Encounters
Insight from Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami, Kadamba Kanana Swami,
Dhananjaya Prabhu, and Others
Personal Reflections
Where I Am and What I Am Doing
I left France, with many nice harinama adventures behind me, and the blessings of the devotees to return. I went by bus to Antwerp, where I did the Sunday feast lecture, other lectures, and many harinamas, and then onward to Amsterdam, for another Sunday feast lecture and more harinamas. Next I went to Leipzig, and took a day trip six hours each way by train to Wroclaw, Poland’s first Ratha-yatra, and returned to Leipzig for great kirtana, prasadam, and the association of Kadamba Kanana Swami.
In Amsterdam, Dhananjaya Prabhu told us that one time Srila Prabhupada, although he wasn’t feeling well, agreed to see George Harrison, who had a recording which he wanted Srila Prabhupada to hear. The song was entitled “Krishna, Where are You?” George had written the lyrics and arranged the music, and Ravi Shankar’s sister, Laksmi, was the singer. Prabhupada said it was in the mood of the Goswamis, and that if George Harrison continued writing songs like that he would quickly advance in spiritual life.
[Curious about the song, I did a search on the internet, finding a couple videos with pictures of Krishna accompanying the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGJCmAWdD18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkYltwdtEYU ]
My friend Janmastami Prabhu, a disciple of Lokanath Swami, makes Antwerp a happy place for me. He’s been playing accordion for years, even before he met the Hare Krishna devotees, and he loves harinama. Last year we chanted in Amsterdam, but now he is back in Belgium, his home. Also here is Amita Krishna Prabhu, who I met in Chowpatty and again in Tirupati, who is a native of Antwerp, and loves Krishna kirtana andkatha. We went chanting in Antwerp, which like many European cities, is blessed with an abundance of cafes with seating on the sidewalk. We passed out many invitations to their upcoming Ratha-yatra.

One day we came across two young Oriental men who are Christian by faith. One had an interesting T-shirt that said on it, “Say Your Prayers.” My camera was temporarily not working, and they emailed me a picture they took for our party.
Amsterdam is full of tourists and a great place for harinama. The devotees do harinama on Thursdays at 6:00 p.m. and Saturdays at 3:00 p.m. for two hours each day, and about ten or twelve show up. I tried to have additional harinamas Monday through Wednesday, but no one came except for a bhakta from Slovakia, also a guest, but he did book distribution most of the time. I made some halava with chick pea flour and rolled it into balls for distribution, and tried to go out each day for three hours, with invitations, sweets, and books.
First Annual Wroclaw Ratha-yatra
Although Indradyumna Swami’s festival tour has put on many Ratha-yatras in Poland, none of the three Polish temples had done a Ratha-yatra in their home towns until June 13, when the congregation of the Wroclaw temple put on their first Ratha-yatra. I heard about the festival last September and had been cultivating a desire to attend. As I was traveling the six hours by train from Leipzig to Wroclaw, I was thinking the journey to be an insignificant austerity to have the pleasure of once again dancing for Lord Jagannatha, Lord of the universe.
One boy on the train was favorably impressed by seeing the devotees at Woodstock in Zary, his home town, and recalled eating the rice and halava. I invited him to take a Polish book I brought for the occasion, but he declined saying he did not believe in God. I told him the story of what Ravinda Svarupa Prabhu once said to someone who did not believe in God, “Tell me about the God you do not believe in.” When the man described God as an angry person who takes pleasure in making people burn in hell forever for a finite number of a offenses, Ravinda Svarupa Prabhu replied, “I don’t believe in that God either!”
As I was trying find the location of the Ratha site, I met another young man who had seen the devotees at Woodstock. Since then, he became vegetarian and has been vegetarian for five years. Jananivasa KCS, one of my translators from the tour, told me that in the art school his friend attends in Wroclaw, half of the students are vegetarian, a high percentage, especially for Poland.
Both the parade and festival were held in Rynek Square, a large rectangular area, surrounded by many cafes with outdoor seating. Because it was the first time the city gave permission, they were restrictive, and the Ratha-yatra could go round within the square several times for a couple of hours but not go into streets, however, since the square seemed to be the most happening place in town, that was not so much of a problem. Many of my friends from the Polish summer Festival of India tour were there, playing their characteristic roles as MCs, kirtana leaders, Jagannath pujaris, translators, chefs, and organizers. The whole festival seemed like a beautiful way to begin a summer of festivals in Poland, and both the devotees and the observers were very happy.
I saw one lady in a café holding her fork motionless in midair as she watched Lord Jagannatha and His associates pass by with their cart. | ![]() |
A friend saw two Polish men staring at the cart and the devotees from a café, leaving their ever present beer mugs idle, at least for some time. Officials did not let the devotees distribute invitations or books, but I did not learn that till the end so distributed about a dozen Polish Hare Krishna mantra cards to people whose smiles, glances, and photography, made their interest obvious, and all but two of the people accepted them. A few observers danced along to the kirtana at the stage show afterward, but not as many as sometimes.

The Deities were made just for this festival, being painted for the first time just three days before, and Krishna Ksetra Prabhu did their installation ceremony on their Ratha cart. I praised him later for demonstrating Deity worship as well as writing books about it. Consistent behavior of the leaders strengthens the faith of the people in general. For me it is interesting to see the variety of jolly smiles on the different Jagannatha Deities, expressing the varying realizations of those blessed to be allowed be vehicles for their appearance. I thank Madhai Jivana Dasa for the picture.
Siva, a resident of Bangalore, visiting Wroclaw for a few days for a Hewlett Packard convention, was very happy to come across Lord Krishna’s devotees and their Ratha-yatra procession. He is a worshiper of Balaji, the famed Krishna Deity, of Tirupati, Andhra Pradesh, and he stayed with us six hours for the whole Ratha-yatra and stage show. He said he had once heard in an ISKCON temple it is very important to chant the “Hare Krishna” part of the mantra first, and not “Hare Rama”, and he couldn’t understand why the devotee was so forceful about it as Krishna and Rama are the same. I answered the best I could and suggested the Krishna Ksetra Prabhu, who has studied Vaishnavism from the academic point of view as well as the devotional point of view may give a better answer. Krishna Ksetra Prabhu stressed the important principle is the Krishna and Rama are the same, so it does not really matter the order it is chanted in the mantra, and he told the story of how Lord Caitanya advised His devotee, Murari Gupta, the unalloyed Rama bhakta, to change his allegiance to Krishna. Not wanting to displease Lord Caitanya nor forsake Lord Rama, He stayed awake the whole night in a state of despair. When he revealed his mind to Lord Caitanya, Lord Caitanya accepted his devotion to Rama, saying it was just befitting him, as he was the incarnation of Hanuman. Siva was happy with Krishna Ksetra Prabhu’s answer, saying he could tell he was an elevated person by how he answered the questioned. We parted ways inviting him to the Wroclaw’s Sunday feast, and promising to keep in touch by email.
To see two albums of photos of the Wroclaw Ratha-yatra 2009, click on Album 1 and Album 2.
Sunday Feast in Leipzig’s Mariannen Park

I have heard that in the early history of ISKCON, sometimes the devotees would hold the Sunday feast in the park. In Leipzig, the devotees do that even now, on sunny days in the summer.

They bring an altar and Deities of Srila Prabhupada, Gaura Nitai, and Lord Jagannatha, Baladeva, and Subhadra, and well as Giri-Govardhan. They do the bhajana, kirtana, and lecture in the park, and if the weather remains good, the feast as well. One benefit of this is that passersby get a chance to see what a Hare Krishna Sunday feast program is like, and become attracted. The day I was there, at least five new people came for the feast.

In the picture above, you can see one onlooker watching from behind the pujari.

Another benefit of being in the park is there is more room to dance!
I thank Bhaktin Sasha for taking the above pictures. For more of her pictures of the Sunday feast in the park, go to:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/--iskcon--leipzig--/sets/72157619774882342/
David of Antwerp is doing a video on the spiritual search, and the local Hare Krishnas are featured in it. He explained that early in his life he was not interested in religion, but now it had become an important concern of his. In his search he has discovered one characteristic that religious people have which he appreciates. No matter what religion they are with they, be it Christianity, Buddhism, or Hare Krishna, they tend to keep their appointments, an admirable trait. Those who callously ignore promises to others frustrate him.
A young man from Niagara Falls, Canada, noticed the Bhagavad-gita on display as I chanted in a square in Amsterdam. He told me he met the devotees in Antwerp and bought a small book because he didn’t have enough money for a big one. Now he came across Bhagavad-gita when he had enough money to buy it and so he did.
A jolly middle-aged lady, who was accompanied by her sister of a similar age, did a few dance steps along with my singing. I gave them sweets and invitations which they accepted. They said they were Christians. After one of them commented on my happiness, we had a brief conversation in which I made the point that our real pleasure is to glorify God, which they also agreed with. They ended up praying for me and continuing in a happy mood.
One young lady from Ukraine just enjoyed listening to our singing, and after ten minutes or so, we stopped and talked to her. She had enjoyed seeing the devotees in several places in Ukraine, such as Kiev and Dnepropotrovsk. I told her how I liked chanting in Ukraine, in both Kiev and Kharkov, because the people were so receptive, and how we have big festival every year near Simferopol, attended by four thousand people, and with three hours singing in the evening. Tomas introduced the Isopansad to her and she decided to buy it.
One lady from Tennessee asked if she could take a picture of me. She was developing an interested in Hinduism and already had a copy of Bhagavad-gita. I mentioned how I appreciated from that tradition the idea that all creatures, even plants and animals of living souls, and deserving of respect.
On a flight from Cologne to Leipzig, the lady who had the seat in the same row as mine knew very little English. As she said she was from Cologne, I decided to show her the invitation to their temple’s Sunday feast, which tells a little about the philosophy on it. She asked if our group originated from India, and I said “Yes.” She took a book from her bag, and in the white space on the back of the back cover, she wrote down the details about our program and returned the invitation card to me. When leaving, I gave her my business card and asked her to write me if she attends the temple and to let me know what she thinks. Perhaps she will go and have a wonderful experience. The Deities are beautiful and the devotees are friendly, why not?
Insight from Lectures and Reading
Satsvarupa Dasa Goswami, Yellow Submarine, #91: “There are so many valuable devotees who render their service to guru and Krishna without being heralded and given great attention. But Krishna loves them, and He has room for them in His heart. You don’t have to be a superstar to be appreciated by Radha and Krishna. Just render steady service, and you’ll be deeply appreciated.”
When we chant we feel something uplifting but not the full manifestation of what is there, Krishna Himself. So much mercy is there, but we do not all realize all of it. Vaishnavas meditate on all all-attractive, wonderful features of Krishna. When we serve Krishna, He reveals His attractiveness. Because Krishna manifests in the Deity, we can easily serve Him.
Many people are religious but not happy because they worship God out of fear. We do not spend our daily meditating on giving up bad qualities but rather meditate on positive activities in relationship with Krishna and find the bad qualities gradually disappear. Actually the greatest Vaishnavas, although thinking themselves fallen, glorify the greatness of the Lord’s mercy for He can easily deliver them. Bhaktivinoda Thakura talks about receiving an auspicious desire tree from our guru but not properly caring for it. By properly caring for it, we can make to bloom. Some punish themselves in the name of bhakti saying they have made the greatest blunder, and can never progress, but this is not a proper meditation. As we absorb ourselves more in Krishna’s service and pastimes, the more we experience the spiritual world.
Kadamba Kanana Swami asked his disciple to pose a question on the lecture and answer it himself, an interesting teaching strategy.
Dhananjaya Prabhu, Amsterdam temple president:
In Alalanatha, at a temple of Vishnu said to be millions of years old, there is an impression of Lord Caitanya in the floor, where the stone melted in ecstasy, when Lord Caitanya had offered prostrated obeisances before the Deity.
Narottama Dasa Thakura states that simply by accepting that the associates of Lord Caitanya are perfect, one can attain the service of Krishna in Vrindavana.
Shyamananda Pandita spoke Krishna-katha so nicely that atheists, agnostics, and blasphemers became moved by hearing his words, and became his followers.
Time is running out for all of us. Therefore, we should approach Krishna.
If we existed before this creation, and we will exist after the annihilation, that means that we have nothing to do with this cosmic manifestation.
In “Suddha-bhakati,” Bhaktivinoda Thakura mentions observing Vaishnava holidays with care and attention. Similarly in “Guru Vadanam,” Narottama Dasa Thakura mentions one must bow down to the guru with great care and attention.
Direct smaranam is when we remember the form of the Lord, and indirect smaranam is when we remember Krishna as the taste of water.
In the beginning faith is the driving force in our spiritual life. When we reach the stage of ruci [taste], rati [attachment] is the driving force, and at prema [love] love itself is the driving force.
If we chant Hare Krishna, while trying to give up offenses, we will experience devotional service to be a happy experience.
Lord Caitanya is our only friend because He has the medicine to cure our disease.
The best service to help others is to give the holy name.
Lord Caitanya told Srivasa Thakura that by not disturbing my kirtana when your son died, you purchased Me, but still, next time you should tell Me.
Initially some people may reject the sankirtana, but if we persist, we will break through the resistance.
If your religion is for real, you can spread it by changing the people’s hearts. Other methods, such as politics, are bogus.
If people come to understand that the Hare Krishna movement has relevant contributions to knowledge of religion, politics, medicine, and family relationships, they will appreciate us.
When I prepare to give a lecture, I always listen to lectures by Srila Prabhupada’s disciples because they often illuminate aspects of the purport, which I completely miss.
Knowledge is to know the living entity, the material nature, and the Lord who controls the other two.
Chanting Hare Krishna offensively is like taking a shower with dirty water.
Q: How can we explain that Krishna’s quality of nirguna does not mean He has no qualities?
A: We have qualities and we emanate from Krishna, so Krishna must also have qualities.
I served out the Sunday feast in Amsterdam. After serving, I ate alone as the others were finished and on their way. It reminds me of long ago, before doing the book tables at the Alachua feast, when I would have the same experience—sitting, and eating alone. Now, as I did then, I pray to Krishna, who always remains when our other friends go, and who we can thus realize is our supreme friend—always ready to pay attention to us, as we pay attention to Him.
The temple president in Antwerp invited me to give a series of lectures on the holy name, and I did four, but after that I decided I would rather hear the realizations of my friends, Amita Krishna and Janmastami Prabhus. You have to be really advanced to be able to give so many lectures to the same people without hearing them speak as well. For me it seems artificial.
When I chant japa while traveling, I tend to worry about my different travel connections. Noticing that I began preaching to myself , “Listen to the Krishna’s names, and He will made your travel connections work out.” I think that helped both my chanting and my traveling to go smoother.

As I took the train from Leipzig to Wroclaw, I noticed in the all small East German towns I passed, the tallest building was always the church, reminding us of a day when religion was given more importance.
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"If even a candāla [dog-eater], simply out of curiosity, sees the Lord on the cart, he becomes counted as one of the associates of Vishnu." (The Nectar of Devotion, Chapter 9)
by Krishna-kripa das (noreply@blogger.com) at June 20, 2009 09:02 PM

"It is so much better to chant early in the morning, when the mind is calm and the atmosphere is quiet. It’s the best time of the day to chant. You’re usually alert and awake for an early-morning burst. The mind is willing to go along with attentive chanting for a stretch. It seems the later the morning gets, the less your potency. The brahma-muhurta hour is recommended as the best time for spiritual duties."
by Rasa Rasika (noreply@blogger.com) at June 20, 2009 08:25 PM
We don’t know the story behind this picture. We ran into it somewhere on the Internet. We found it very blissful and wanted to share it with you. The shot was taken somewhere in Russia.
I am happy in Krsna consciousness. With each rising and setting of the sun, I come closer to the goal of my life. I constantly thank Krsna for allowing me to meet with Srila Prabhupada's books and my eternal spiritual master in this life.
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Things are just warming up here, but here are some photos from this morning:

View from the back of the temple

Srila Prabhupada's original bongo drum next to him on the Vyasasana

View towards the back of the temple

Kirtan stage (between Nrsimhadeva's altar and Srila Prabhupada's vyasasana)
The 24 Hour Kirtan is on as I am writing this, Sat morning to Sunday morning.
See the schedule of leaders and where to view it live on the web here.
Mostly it is a lot of devotees doing sit kirtan, but there is some dancing. Someday I will figure out how to set my camera for action shots but this is the best I can do for now:


Wednesday, 3 June 2009. I awoke. I had only made it into bed around 1am today. It was nijala ekadasi. It seemed Krsna had a plan of austerity coming up, seeing as he combined jet lag with fasting. This was most likely a plan to counter my own lazy nature. How merciful… I decided I would take water at some time and keep my ekadasi austerities to the minimum.
I quickly stole some internet with my wireless to let everyone know I arrived in one piece. When Jaggi came around we hit the town of Watford. Some preliminary things needed to be taken care of for the upcoming venture. Jaggi cut me some keys and I took some time to gather my bearings (ie walked around hoping not to get lost).
I spent the day walking the peaceful, back street gardens of Watford, chanting the holy names on beads and reading. It was a nice green environment to assist the focus on the holy names of the Lord (achieving this focus being my usual difficulty).
The day wrapped up at Sanatana’s, moving out of Jaggi’s for the night, and I scoped out some Veda base about ekadasi. I recommend, unless you want to take your tapasya to the next level, to not read up on that one. After some time wasting and some catching up it was time to hit the hay.
Thursday, 4 June 2009. I awoke as if I were going to Mangala arti. 3:45am. I didn’t plan this (Krsna’s plan) but I decided to take advantage of my awkward body clock and read some Bhagavatam (gotta love Veda base!). After this I decided to try sneak in a couple hours more sleep but it seemed it was not my allotted karma. I should have just nailed my rounds for a full morning program!
My day plan was pretty simple: Sadhana and make some chapattis. I spent half the day aimlessly trying to find the cheap supermarket, Tesco. I decided while I was there I would pick up some halava ingredients also. I realized at the check out I was flat broke and decided halava could be another day.
The kitchen was in a share house of 3 or 4 boys so it was a bomb shell. I made sure to purchase some sanitary aid while collecting chapatti ingredients at the supermarket and so I gave the place a good work over. I decided to leave the other half for another day and started to make use of my working space. It occurred to me about half way through the process that there was to much water in the mix as everything was sticking to me. I was now wearing gloves of atta flour. Next it seemed the ghee was burning in the pan (which I speculated by adding in the first place) and the smoke was bellowing.
After offering and honouring the chapattis/rotis I decided to cook up the next batch based on the lessons I had learned from my previous mistakes. I doused the chapatti balls with flour and tried again, leaving out the ghee. This time the flour burned holes in the chapattis and created even more bellowing smoke. The holes also ensured a roti result. After utilizing Jaggi’s kitchen and giving him some jagannatha prasad, I made my way back to Sanatana’s to rest up for the coming day’s excitement.
Friday, 5 June 2009. I awoke in the land of Sanatan. We readied our chariot, in this case motorbike, and scampered off to the Manor. It was becoming a ritual by now to sing my morning prayers on the back of the bike. This served the purpose of keeping my mind regulated by continuing what I would normally do at home (where ever that may be?) and also doubled as a reassurance while looking down at the fast moving tar road beneath me.
I arrived to catch the end of class in temple room. I bumped into Annirudha Prabhu, from Melbourne, as I scoped out a spot to sit. The class was a special power point presentation on many global cutting edge preaching projects going on. At first it was a great inspiration to see all wonderful projects of abroad giving me great faith in this sankirtana movement’s speedy succuss. It appeared that everyone was a cut above our humble arrangement in Australia…or so it seemed until the slides flipped over to Woodford. Woodford is an end of year folk festival held in Australia attracting between 200-300 thousand young people. Our many catering crews participate at this event and distribute many thousands of plates of prasadam. The speaker also complimented the great mood of prasadam distribution which is being acted on all throughout Australia.
The meeting dissipated and I took a more careful look around the room. I noticed HH Ramai Swami, sitting next to Annirudha Prabhu. I cursed myself for missing him seeing as he was only a meter away from me when I passed by. I contemplated if it looked like I ignored him. It was time to forget and move onto the next surrender. Prasadam was served and it was prepared in celebration for…something. Whatever it was I had forgotten by the end of the three courses of flat rice and sweet yogurt! Flavoured with mango, strawberry, something else, another yogurt, kiar and maha savoury to finish it off with!
I spent some quality time roaming the Manor grounds to chant some rounds. I went on a woods walk accompanied by Gita verses written on the sides of the path. It ended with a advertisement to purchase Gita from the temple shop. After this amusing tour I decided to see the gosala. After visiting the bullocks, cows and calves I felt a childhood connection to the whole place. While I was young in New Gokula, Australia, my father used to tend to bullocks (oxen). It was soon after this that I realized that the presiding deities of the Manor were Radha Gokulananda and I was in fact in the English version of my old childhood temple. I glanced longingly at the white complexioned Gokulananda and my thoughts traced back to my dark complexioned Gokulananda, with his intoxicated red eyes.
I decided after this spiritually fulfilling experience to visit the boys doing their work down at the wedding tent. The gurukulis were expertly employed in the temple wedding events. Some did the catering staff and the others were ushers and set up staff. This was a perfect angle to set myself up with some prasadam. To the wedding staff this was peasant food, eating it every time there was a function on, but to me it was excellent. The preps were all delicious, except maybe the wasabi carrots (who would think of such a thing?!), but especially the srikana, which I had been hankering for since London Rathayatra last year.
After taking prasadam the catering crew took time off and we found a sweet spot outside the TP’s office to “look busy” (ie hang out). We tested out the prasadam from the local temple shop including some carob fudge (REAL CAROB! Not even that imitation chocolate stuff!). When all the guys wondered off I decided to mingle in and meet the locals. I met a couple of the sankirtana and temple devotees, had additional prasadam (which was not really required) and the mood changed to something a little more conservative. The philosophy section of the conversation notched up and it was unfiltered Krsna katha.
After some lovely association I went back to distract the gurukulis from their duties. They packed up and we prepped for bhajan. Just when we were about to go I heard my name being called. At this point in time, although everyone knew me, it was hard to tell if many even knew my name, so I was quite shocked. I turned to see Jasmine/Rasesvari, from Australia! After this little catch up all gurukulis, including a gurukuli sanyasi, entered the temple and cooked up a storm (not a prasadam cook up though sorry).
The bhajan started a little awkward for me. I was sad to note after 2 months of sankirtana, ecstatic preaching adventures and all the rest, that I still had no taste for chanting the holy name. Eventually I surrendered and savoured some joy of the mantra. Some time after relishing some mantras I decided it was time to whip out some beats. I stole some wampers from Sanatan and he picked up some kartalas. I pumped a good ole fashion syncopated rhythm. It was going good until someone mentioned SOMETHING to me, not sure if it was good or bad and my false ego folded. I sat down the wampers and tried again to taste the holy name.
The whole scene was ecstatic. After bhajan we were out in the reception hall until someone kicked us all out. Me and Sanatan hopped on his might stallion and rode away. On the ride home we held our own bhajans and they were even more ecstatic than the bhajans we just had (all credit is due to the original bhajans for bringing the rasa to this point - for all those who choose to take offence to my comparison). After some time wasting me and Sanatan hit the hay. Singing kirtana and bhajan on a bike, cruising down Watford made me realize that Krsna consciousness can be included in any activity, we simply have to make the desire to invite Krsna in.
Morning lecture given by Giriraj Swami on the day of the Dallas Rathayatra.
Dallas, TX
2009-04-25
Dear Devotees,
Thanks to the efforts of Manu Prabhu and Shyam Pandey, we are broadcasting live video from the 24 Hour Kirtan now! Please visit:
www.newvrindaban.com (click on the video)
www.krishna.com/nv24
Tune in from wherever you are in the world and immerse yourself in the nectar of the holy name!
Hare Krishna!
Your servants from the 24 Hour Kirtan Team
Kirtan Schedule (all times in EDT)
24 Hour Kirtan Schedule
Saturday June 20 to Sunday June 21
7:30 am: Darsana-arati, Gurupuja to Srila Prabhupada, and opening ceremony with Srila Prabhupada’s original drum as played in Tompkins Square Park, 1966 (with procession to Srila Prabhupada’s Palace, weather permitting).
8:00 am: The Mayapuris (Visvambhara)
9:30 am: As Kindred Spirits (Gaura Vani)
10:30 am: NYC Kirtan Group (Ananta Govinda)
Noon: Youth Bus Tour (Manu)
1:00 pm: Uttam Bhakta & Damodar
2:00 pm: New Vrindaban (Thakur)
3:00 pm: Columbus (Dhira Lalita)
4:00 pm: Dallas (Rupa)
5:00 pm: Gaura Prem Bhajan Band (Madhava)
7:00 pm: Agnideva Das
9:00 pm: Radhanath Swami
10:00 pm: NYC Kirtan Group (Ananta Govinda)
11:00 pm: New Vrindaban (Abhay)
Midnight: To be Announced (open slots)
5:00 am: Toronto Kirtan Party (Ajamila)
6:00 am: Gaura Prem Bhajan Band (Madhava)
7:00 am: Agnideva Das
8:00 am: Radhanath Swami
(schedule is subject to change)

Dear devotees,
We will be broadcasting live video and sound for the 24hr Kirtan and thus we will be requiring every bit of bandwidth we can get. In order to facilitate proper and uninterrupted live webcast, we will be blocking the internet connectivity in RVC temple from Saturday June 20th starting at 6 am to Sunday 21st morning 8 am till the kirtan festival ends.
Please let me know if anyone needs internet in emergency situation.
Thank You
ys
Shyam
Find link to 24 Hour Kirtan at: http://www.newvrindaban.com/
June 20, New Vrindaban, West Virginia – This weekend sees devotees and guests from all over North America and the world pour into ISKCON’s New Vrindaban community for the third annual 24 Hour Kirtan Festival, a celebration of India’s ancient practice of call and response chanting. The event is modeled after the original 24 Hour Kirtan in Vrindaban, India. First launched in 1975, the program faded away three years later, but was revived in 1986 by Srila Prabhupada disciple Aindra Dasa. Since then, devotees at ISKCON’s Krishna Balaram Mandir have chanted God’s names non-stop—24 hours a day, 365 days a year. |
Inspired by the legendary “chipped rice festival” described in Caitanya-Caritamrita, ISKCON’s International School in Mayapur, India transformed into the ancient village of Panihati this June 6. The original festival was held 500 years ago during the time of Gaudiya Vaishnavism founder Sri Chaitanya, when Chaitanya’s close associate Nityananda Prabhu directed his follower Raghunatha Dasa Goswami to organize a festival and feed all the devotees with yogurt and chipped rice. |
New Guest house coming up in Ekachakra dhama!
We are happy to inform that construction of new guest house at Sri Ekachakra dham is under steady progress. Devotees visiting Ekachakra dhama have always desired to stay in Ekachakra dhama for few days in the tranquil atmosphere and visit the holy places where Lord Nityananda prabhu performed many of his childhood pastimes. Ekachakra is a beautiful village where one can feel the warmth of relaxing in the Mother Nature’s lap. Many holy ponds provide cooling waters and soothing breeze rejuvenating one’s body, mind and soul.
Devotees who have served in ISKCON for at least five years will now be entitled to fifteen days of free accommodation and food per year at Sridham Mayapur, ISKCON’s headquarters in India. “The offer is a gesture of appreciation for devotees’ dedication to Srila Prabhupada’s movement,” says Padmanayana Dasa, Head of International Devotee and Guest Care. “We want all ISKCON devotees to think of Mayapur as their home.” |
International School in Mayapur now accepting enrolments for new School year!
The Sri Mayapur International School’s holistic approach to education engages the body, mind, intelligence and words of devotee children from all over the world. It prepares them to fulfill their life’s purpose spiritually, at the same time providing internationally accepted skills, training and academic education.
SMIS immerses students in an alternative educational system that balances traditional, eternal spiritual values and contemporary international academics.
To anyone committed to bringing about a transformation in the iniquitous ways of this world’s misdirected civilization I recommend an ancient system as guide for this undertaking. The system is a science, containing, like any science, both theory and practice. By theory I mean an organized set of categories that illuminate the workings of the world, and by practice I mean the application of the theory to the world so as to bring about desired changes. |








by Nityananda Chandra Das (noreply@blogger.com) at June 20, 2009 09:00 AM
Necessity is such a strong term. For something to be a necessity it’s got to be almost a matter of life or death. Eating, sleeping, mating, and defending yourself from harm, these are necessities. What’s the proof? The lengths to which we are willing to go in the name of necessity are proof. Even if such necessities push us to dehumanizing behavior. |
"In Amsterdam, Dhananjaya Prabhu told us that one time Srila Prabhupada, although he wasn’t feeling well, agreed to see George Harrison, who had a recording which he wanted Srila Prabhupada to hear. The song was entitled “Krishna, Where are You?” George had written the lyrics and arranged the music, and Ravi Shankar’s sister, Laksmi, was the singer. Prabhupada said it was in the mood of the Goswamis, and that if George Harrison continued writing songs like that he would quickly advance in spiritual life."
- Krishna-kripa Dasa
In a Mayapur lecture from from CC Adi 1.4 on 28 Mar 1975 Srila Prabhupada stated, "Our mission is to establish the desire of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. That is our business."
This is to inform all the devotees that MIHET Bengali Bhaktisastri course will begin at Sri Mayapur dhama from 5th of July to 19th September 2009. The course details and schedule are as below. Apart from other breaks for festival days, Study Bhagavad-gita As It Is, Nectar of Devotion, Nectar of Instruction and Sri Isopanisad at Mayapur.
Classes timings are convenient for attendees who have regular seva, temple residents and Grihastha devotee’s. More hours of classes will be covered over weekends.
Lord Krishna is portrayed in multiple images as the naughty child, divine lover and eternal philosopher. And television producers and filmmakers are cashing in on his aura to woo audiences. While TV shows like Jai Shri Krishna and the latest animated show Little Krishna have been entertaining viewers, the big screen has also been abuzz with animated movies like Bal Krishna and Krishna: Aayo Natkhat Nandlal in recent times. |
The Obama Administration continues to insist, all Congressional evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, that Uncle Sam has no interest in running the U.S. auto industry. About the tobacco industry there is no such Washington scruple on either end of Pennsylvania Avenue. President Obama is poised to sign a bill passed by Congress this week that authorizes the Food and Drug Administration to regulate tobacco products for the first time. |
How much faith should the faithless put in Barack Obama? The president said in his inaugural address that the United States is “a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and nonbelievers.” And in his commencement speech at the University of Notre Dame, he said that the Golden Rule binds “people of all faiths and no faith together.” |
MATHURA: At a time when Indian students are becoming targets of racial attacks in Australia, a girl from Down Under tied the knot with an Assamese youth in Vrindaban. Amidst Vedic hymns, the duo got married according to the Hindu rituals at an ashram. The bride's parents were present during the marriage ceremony that took place on Wednesday. |
Indian beef production is predicted to increase by 5% in 2009. This is reported to be due to strong export demand and rising domestic consumption (ZMP and Brazilian Meat Monitor). According to reports, production of mainly buffalo meat is set to rise to approximately 2.7 million tonnes. Around a third of production (850,000 tonnes) is predicted to be exported, mainly to South East Asia and the Gulf states. |
According to news reports, the University of California in Los Angeles yielded to media pressure and agreed to allow a graduating student to thank Jesus in her personal statement. UCLA student Christina Popa claimed the school's Department of Molecular, Cell and Developmental Biology was denying her freedom of speech when a faculty advisor told her that she could not mention "Jesus" in her graduation remarks. |
8:00 am: The Mayapuris (Visvambhara)
9:30 am: As Kindred Spirits (Gaura Vani)
10:30 am: NYC Kirtan Group (Ananta Govinda)
Noon: Youth Bus Tour (Manu)
1:00 pm: Uttam Bhakta & Damodar
2:00 pm: New Vrindaban (Thakur)
3:00 pm: Columbus (Dhira Lalita)
4:00 pm: Dallas (Rupa)
5:00 pm: Gaura Prem Bhajan Band (Madhava)
7:00 pm: Agnideva Das
9:00 pm: Radhanath Swami
10:00 pm: NYC Kirtan Group (Ananta Govinda)
11:00 pm: New Vrindaban Kirtan Party (Abhay)
Midnight: Toronto Kirtan Party (Ajamila)
1:00 am: Pandava Sena USA (Nama Rasa)
2:00 am: Montreal Kirtan Party (Moti)
3:00 am: Festival of India (Ramananda)
4:00 am: Chicago Kirtan Party (Soul Connection)
4:30 am: Shobamayi dd NYC
5:00 am: Chicago Kirtan Party (Nirantara)
6:00 am: Gaura Prem Bhajan Band (Madhava)
7:00 am: Agnideva Das
8:00 am: Radhanath Swami
Lord of Universe, Jagannatha, along with His brother Balarama and sister Subhadra are bathed by devotees 2 weeks before Ratha-yatra parade. On this ocasion not only priests, but lituraly EVERYONE is allowed to bathe and touch the Lord. It is once a year ocasion.by noreply@blogger.com (Mayapur Katha) at June 20, 2009 03:05 AM
On Friday July 3 join us at Fusion Hot Yoga for an evening of ecstasy with the World Sankirtan Party serving us earthy music and sacred chant.
Fusion teachers Josh and Jolie are part of the World Sankirtan Party, a world music band that sing sacred Sanskrit mantras in an interactive call-and-response fashion (kirtan). Free your voice and the rest will follow! The evening will be equal parts meditative, relaxing, and shake-your-booty funky, as befitting the Fusion vibe.
The evening kicks off at 7.30 pm after the last class on Friday, and light refreshments will be served. We are asking for a $10 collaboration for the event. The money collected is going towards bringing over Gaura Vani, a kirtan artist from the US, who will be bringing his kirtan party over later in the year.
Here are the deets:
World Sankirtan Party kirtan concert
Where: Fusion Hot Yoga
219 Wynnum Road, Norman Park
Brisbane, Australia
When: Friday July 3, 2009
7.30 pm
In case I missed you via SMS and facebook, here's a heads-up.
No Harinam tomorrow, because we'll be going to this.
I just left the following comment on Dandavats, on the post New Book Reveals Fundamental Flaw in Darwin’s Theory.
I would like to read something that is not a reactionary "Darwin is dogma, we reject it", and something that is more contributive to human understanding. How do you explain the development of different species of life?
A magical one-off event of interventionist creation by the intelligent designer is the Judeo-Christian idea. However, a fossil record that demonstrates multiple mass extinctions and the appearance of new species renders that insufficient as an explanation.
Without another mechanism it seems that magical intervention creationist will have to postulate multiple magical interventions.
The Srimad Bhagavatam does not describe multiple magical interventions. And by magical I mean an event that suspends the ordinary operating laws and procedures of nature - the birth of any living entity is in one sense a "magical" moment, but it is within the ordinary operating parameters of nature. The Bhagavatam speaks of a single magical creation event by the Supreme Being who afterwards remains aloof from the creation, which then carries on under the influence of His energies. Evolution of a species by natural selection is an explanation for species development that places it within the operation of nature. In that sense it seems more in tune with both observable phenomena (the fossil record) and the scriptural version of a single magical event followed by the operation of natural forces.
Arguing that only magical interventionism can be theistic, and that any attempt to explain development of species through natural forces is a priori atheistic, to me, seems incorrect. The origin and nature of life (as in consciousness) is a different issue, and theories of evolutionary development of species should be examined separately from explanations of "consciousness from matter".
This isn't to say that "Darwin's theory is right!", but rather that I want to see another alternative explanation that tallies with the observed facts (and doesn't rely on the "well, science is wrong anyway because it's based on sense perception" get-out-of-jail-free card) and also tallies with philosophy of the Bhagavatam.
I don't find fundamentalist Christian explanations do this, and I don't find that neo-Christian-fundamentalist-Vaisnava mash-ups do either.
Am I the only one?
The comment is still in moderation, but it will be interesting what discussion it generates (aside from the predictable "this is illegal thinking!"). As you probably know, it's a topic I am quite interested in.
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